Tekken 6 Lag/Patch Impressions

For me, I think I could sum it up in two words:

Absolutely Heartbroken.

Why, you ask?? Online Lag is so atrocious it gets to the point to where there is a half second delay between your input and your characters move.... not good, espically with Yoshimitsu's complex MoveSet. Other times it feels like Tekken 2 Under Water. I felt as if I wanted to cry when I was losing to masher friendly noobs simply because lag was present. To make matters worse, I went way of the cheap by selecting Lee Chaolan and spamming D+4,4,4,4 and T+3,3,3,3,3,4 repeatedly. Interestingly enough, I got 6 wins out of that. So much for a grand return to form with Yoshimitsu. I feel like a fucking putz.

Street Fighter 4 plays rather smoothly. Im assuming that smooth online gameplay attributed to its simple graphical display/art style. Tekken looks absolutely impressive running on my 42 Samsung, but the detail really drags the connection down.

I will continue this subject later on below....

-Saikoro

This post was edited by Saikoro (2009-11-25 19:35, 7 years ago)

I'm quite disappointed.....That is all.

Yoshimattsu : I'm quite disappointed.....That is all.

And that makes two of us as Im VERY upset. Namco is slipping in terms of reliability. Seriously.... Street Fighter has far superior Online Tech running its servers as I have to say that Ive never encountered Lag in SF4 as I have in T6.

And its maddening.

I cant do low DT parries on instinct nor can I get a freggin juggle to work as Frame Timing is subdued due to this Lag issue. So maybe Im exaggerating this a little bit, but it is certainly inexcusible on Namco's behalf. Seriously. Why does SF4 run better when its about 8 months old??

To worsen the deal fruther, we ALL purchased this fine title for meeting up online. Tekken 6 is still a boat load of awesome mind you, its just that playing online and owning with our favorite Space Ninja became so un-fun due to this issue. Continuing from my initial post above, I had to resort to simple cheap and silly tactics, spamming Lee Chaolin's Rubber Band series of Kicks or Jack 6's Power Punches just to get a win. The moment I scheme a Yoshi Tactic, I get owned by a spamming Paul Phoenix (Low Sweeps Aplenty wirth no chance to react) or Baek Do San (Low/High/Low CHEAP!!). Whats wrong with this picture?? I also do not want to resort to playing against the Computer, Ive done that with Dark Resurrection for the past Year and a half. I want Human opponents goddamnit!!

With all of this said, I now truly envy the West Coast scene as they have had Tekken 6 and Bloodline Rebellion from the very beginning. I thought it would be awesome to finally get a chance to play against some really serious competition online that parallels Street Fighter's amazing community. I really had an awesome sensation that I could relive my Tekken Tag Arcade days this morning at 1:15am (Im running off of 2 hours and 45 minutes of sleep as I was so excited to play this). Unless if Namco releases a patch, looks like those days will shine bright as one of the best memories Ive ever had.

:con

This particular Manji Member is feeling rather empty thinking of this right now....

-SAIK:(R:(

I don't even have online capability and I still feel let down.... The fact that they are forcing us to play online to rank up, sickens me. I am enjoying the game overall, but not nearly as much as I thought I would. I have a whole lot of work to do to get this new Yoshi movelist down.. I played in the Arena and made it to Azazel with no issue, but I can only beat him one round then I get smoked. I feel like a noob, practice mode all day today for me!!!

If you, US-citizens, speak about enormous lag, then I fear what it will be like in my country. (I've heard lots of compliments about your internet connection)

But anyway: online game in Tekken will never be okay. I enjoy rather friend meeting and playing, and of course tournaments - didn't have higher hopes for online. Any news about Tekken Tournament in US? I've heard there will be one in Europe, the official one. Stay tuned on this. Also, I've heard there will be a patch in December fine-tuning the online gameplay.

Also, I was never rankup-hyped, so ranking up online doesn't bother me. And if you want flawless lag-friendly Yoshi strats, abuse d/b+3,3,3,4, f,f+3+4,1+2,3+4 from the distance, f+1+2, d/b+2,2,2... Yoshi is good in lags :D Especially fine is catching somebody on unblockables.

[offtopic]I hear there's a more or less official T6 tournament also held in Helsinki soonish. I've got no further info, though, didn't look it up that thoroughly.[/offtopic]

Do keep in mind - to put in extremely bluntly - that everyone in the whole US started playing T6 at the same time. This causes major traffic, which of course leads to more lag. Wait for the patch, wait for the hype to calm down, then see what's going on.

Saikoro :
Yoshimattsu : I'm quite disappointed.....That is all.

And that makes two of us as Im VERY upset. Namco is slipping in terms of reliability. Seriously.... Street Fighter has far superior Online Tech running its servers as I have to say that Ive never encountered Lag in SF4 as I have in T6.

And its maddening.

I cant do low DT parries on instinct nor can I get a freggin juggle to work as Frame Timing is subdued due to this Lag issue. So maybe Im exaggerating this a little bit, but it is certainly inexcusible on Namco's behalf. Seriously. Why does SF4 run better when its about 8 months old??

To worsen the deal fruther, we ALL purchased this fine title for meeting up online. Tekken 6 is still a boat load of awesome mind you, its just that playing online and owning with our favorite Space Ninja became so un-fun due to this issue. Continuing from my initial post above, I had to resort to simple cheap and silly tactics, spamming Lee Chaolin's Rubber Band series of Kicks or Jack 6's Power Punches just to get a win. The moment I scheme a Yoshi Tactic, I get owned by a spamming Paul Phoenix (Low Sweeps Aplenty wirth no chance to react) or Baek Do San (Low/High/Low CHEAP!!). Whats wrong with this picture?? I also do not want to resort to playing against the Computer, Ive done that with Dark Resurrection for the past Year and a half. I want Human opponents goddamnit!!

With all of this said, I now truly envy the West Coast scene as they have had Tekken 6 and Bloodline Rebellion from the very beginning. I thought it would be awesome to finally get a chance to play against some really serious competition online that parallels Street Fighter's amazing community. I really had an awesome sensation that I could relive my Tekken Tag Arcade days this morning at 1:15am (Im running off of 2 hours and 45 minutes of sleep as I was so excited to play this). Unless if Namco releases a patch, looks like those days will shine bright as one of the best memories Ive ever had.

:con

This particular Manji Member is feeling rather empty thinking of this right now....

-SAIK:(R:(


The online was terrible, but supposedly they should be fixing the lag within the next two weeks?

I lost to a Kazuya, who constantly did the spin kick : (

Yoshitora :
The online was terrible, but supposedly they should be fixing the lag within the next two weeks?

I lost to a Kazuya, who constantly did the spin kick : (

Like they fixed the lag on DR (????). But hey, I hope you're right. I was wondering though, does the number of people online at any one time affect lag at all? I mean, wont the servers be overloaded or something? The game JUST came out and lots of people will have rushed out to buy it and play it at once. But I know nothing about these things of course.

Anyone wanna mention some of the good points about this game? Tell us about our lovelly Yoshi please!! :P

damn :(( I really wished that online battle had improved alot since tekken5 dr online, that ruins my chances for human combaticon. I thought this was gonna be the opportunity to test myself :con

Well, it'll only get worse as more people will be buying the game and going online !!!

In my opinion T6 feels much like T4. T6 is all graphics and some fail. The fail being the online crap and the changes in practice mode.. Needless loss of ranking ( Ok, that doesn't bother some). But at least with the ranking you have something to aspire to be... And you know if your play is getting better or worse!! And not to mention the spoilers I've heard.. My oh my..

I hold this opinion until I actually play it. With every huge change, I don't like something.. But I learn it's not always so bad.


!!! Here's your chance for a decent game on TKDR online!! LMAO !!!

Jembru :

Anyone wanna mention some of the good points about this game? Tell us about our lovelly Yoshi please!! :P


Well, after some getting used to I would say Yoshi is much better, his options have grown significantly, animations are awesome, his customizations are ALL cool. His new arsenal should prove to be more than enough for anyone to develop effective strategies. Just be ready to re-think everything about the way you use him!!

Yoshimattsu :
Jembru :

Anyone wanna mention some of the good points about this game? Tell us about our lovelly Yoshi please!! :P


Well, after some getting used to I would say Yoshi is much better, his options have grown significantly, animations are awesome, his customizations are ALL cool. His new arsenal should prove to be more than enough for anyone to develop effective strategies. Just be ready to re-think everything about the way you use him!!

Yoshi is definitely more flexible in this game.

Nice set-ups/Mix-ups.

Re-think everything about the way I use him? What? You mean all 6 of the moves I know or just one or two? Hehehe... okay, I'm not THAT bad.

Yoshimattsu : Well, after some getting used to I would say Yoshi is much better, his options have grown significantly, animations are awesome, his customizations are ALL cool. His new arsenal should prove to be more than enough for anyone to develop effective strategies. Just be ready to re-think everything about the way you use him!!

Matt, why cant you be a local friend to play Lag free Tekken?!?! Well said once again as you always have replies that suit my opinions nicely.

Now that Ive had some quality time with the game (I took yesterday, the 28th, off from work) that spanned a solid 9 hours with a slight break in between because I felt as if I had tunnel vision. I have to say that my disappointment is really only with online capabilities. More on this in a sec....

Yoshi himself is awesome to play. His Sword Jab series (DT/DB+1 or 2 startup, etc.) are simply awesome as much as they are different and cool looking: Going back to an older Tekken title will now feel even stranger. I really love his new series of kicks (T/DB+4, Standing 3, FC~DT+4) as his poking game has really opened up nicely. All of his moves have a nice flow to them espically if you're already familiarized as we all already are, even though his sword moves are now blockable, which Im not too much of a fan with. I could only imagine if we had no idea as to what the hell we were doing.... Yeesh!! One thing that I noticed is that all of his moves are at least 1/5th slower on execution lacking that initial oomph/power strike that Yoshimitsu had in Dark Resurrection. He hits hard here, but to a slightly slower extent. As Matt put it, you have to rethink many strategies that we became comfortable with.

But Online.... its so hit or miss its actually quite ridiculous. From my experiences yesterday, its either Lag free 20% of the time, or Lag with cheap ass button mashing scrubs, or Lag free with even cheaper button mashing Leo's. And Lag can be an absolute atrocity to the point to where you can count individual frames before each move connects. Its BAD. But when it works, its absolutely magnificant. It just has to be magnificant more often.

And on a side note, I have named Lee Chaolin the "Scrub Remover" (Just say it in a Billy Mays tone of voice and it has a ring to it) since he is incredibly effective at nullifying cheap ass players, even moreso with crap lag bouts. I was fucking around to see exactly how far I could get just spamming his D+4,4,4,4 from Mid-Distance in, as well as his T+4 or T+3,3,3,3,3,4 as a Close Range counter. The effects turned into pure hilarity and were actually quite effective: My Ranked Record currently stands at 31-1. Yup. That one loss was against a Paul player who knew what he was doing. Expect a YouTube Video on this.... Im saving my Replay Data on those.

-Saikoro

damn lag, it's even worse than tekken 5 dr!! and those matches last 30 minutes cuz of all the "freezes"